Over calling

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Over calling

Postby 1Morgan » February 8th, 2014, 7:16 am

This will be my 6th season. I've had 2 excellent mentors and had great success. One taught me soft calling the other taught me aggressive calling. I just can't seem to stop!! I know I should, I do just fine when a bird is gobbling and coming. But, when it's quiet I will yack and yack. I'm sure I turn more birds away but the silence is deafening. How do I stop?
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Re: Over calling

Postby retranger » February 8th, 2014, 8:54 am

1Morgan wrote: I'm sure I turn more birds away

How do you know?? I sat once for over 2 hours,,,,calling on one call, wait about 15 minutes then call on a different call and kept repeating, then to my surprise I got a gobble and 3 jakes showed up. You never know what is right :) :) You are there to have fun and if calling gives you satisfaction then I would have at it ;) ;)
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Re: Over calling

Postby kygobbler » February 8th, 2014, 2:45 pm

1Morgan wrote:How do I stop?


Just leave the calls at the house. :o :lol: On a boring day try practicing your soft calling on different calls. You never know, one could sneak up on you.
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Re: Over calling

Postby ylpnfol » February 8th, 2014, 9:25 pm

Blind calling is fine, do it all the time, and I'm not scared to reach out and try to touch 'em, just look at your watch, or phone, and call every 15 or 20 mins, take a nap between calling , maybe ole tom will tap you on the shoulder to wake you.....
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Re: Over calling

Postby WillowRidgeCalls » February 9th, 2014, 4:28 pm

The term Over Calling is misunderstood. Birds are very vocal 90% of the time, and talk quite a bit, but they use a certain call very little, more in a short series then the same call over and over. That's where most hunters make the mistakes with over calling. We get the idea that we have to sound perfect on a call in order to call a bird in, very untrue. Your cadence is where it make a big difference in calling in a bird, no matter what you or your call sounds like, if your cadence is good you'll call birds in. How often you call is determined by how the birds are reacting that day, if they are talking quite a bit then there is no need to wait 15/20 minutes between calls, but keep it in a short series of calls, 2/3 cutts not 7 or 8. Blind calling you have to see what the birds want? Give them some different series of calls to see what they respond to best, some like a short series and some may like a longer series?Try different volumes or tones, don't get hung up using the same tone and volume every time you do a series, change it up.
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Re: Over calling

Postby Fan Club » February 17th, 2014, 1:29 pm

1Morgan wrote: I do just fine when a bird is gobbling and coming. But, when it's quiet I will yack and yack. I'm sure I turn more birds away but the silence is deafening. How do I stop?


I hear you. The part that is hard to grasp is that the majority of the time birds don't gobble all the way to the gun, that stuff is for the videos and it's great when it happens. But all of the standard cliche's..."Take the bird's temperature"..."Give the turkeys what they want"...are predicated on toms that are gobbling. But what about the toms that are not gobbling? In that regard, the more you call, the more you tip your hand on your location and the fact that you are not a real turkey to the birds you don't hear or see.

In human behavior, nobody likes a loud mouth or a bully. By calling too long and too loud that is exactly what you are portraying yourself to be to the turkeys. Add in the fact that if a tom is already with hens, they may take him the other way if you over call. I never kept a log book, but I've tagged about 4 dozen gobblers in multiple states over 20 seasons...this is not to brag, but to illustrate a point. I'm certain that 2/3 of those birds never gobbled; they either came in silent alone, came in silent with some buddies or were led in by hens.

Here is one of my preferred methods developed with a lot of trial and error for cold calling or gobbling birds in the far distance, perhaps even off your property. Select three calls that you want to use and lay them on the ground in a small semicircle. I like to start with a box call because it is generally the loudest. Go through a good sequence of at least 30 seconds with loud yelps and some cuts thrown in, maybe a cackle, don't be afraid to make some racket. Set down the call and time 10 minutes on your watch... do not be tempted to call. I like to use a wing bone next for the different tone, just a couple short series of standard yelping at medium volume. A mouth call would work well here. Again, wait 10 minutes by the watch. For the third call I like a peg and slate because you can get real soft with it. Let out some very subdued short 3-4 note yelping sequences with some soft purring thrown in, maybe a cluck or two. If a tom honors any of your calls with a gobble during this setup, stop calling. If you see a silent tom headed your way stop calling. He's already heard and pinpointed you, let his curiosity do the rest.

I've tagged at least a dozen gobblers with this exact method and the majority of them have come in silent, usually near the 25 to 30 minute mark. This method works well with or without decoys and feel free to mix in some non-vocalized turkey sounds such as scratching in the leaves or imitating wing beats. The theory behind all of this is that the birds heard your first call even if they didn't respond (they did.) Each subsequent call needs to be at less volume and intensity than the previous in case unseen birds are approaching (they are). Save your softest confidence calling for the end of the setup. If you continue to make loud racket with the same call, you run the risk of spooking approaching silent birds that think they should be able to see you by now. I also believe it's important to employ three different calls, don't continue using the same call over and over. This will add to the realism, give the illusion that there is more than one turkey and the difference in tone can sound like birds moving or facing different directions.

One final thought, try to call using the sequences I mentioned and for good reason. Too many hunters want to throw out every call they know in the same sequence just to hear themselves- yelping, cutting, clucking, cackles and even purring. Real birds yelp and cut loudly when they are aggressive and excited, and purr and cluck softly when they are content and relaxed. They don't go through the entire range of turkey emotion in one calling sequence. Makes sense... but is seldom talked about.

There you have it, my favorite and most successful setup calling tactic, hard earned over 20 turkey seasons. Be sure and post a picture of your gobbler. ;)

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