wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Magnumdood » February 21st, 2009, 4:31 pm

That's all I shoot is Nitro Ammo, that is until I get my shot shell reloading set up and start loading TSS.

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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Turkeybuster » February 21st, 2009, 4:51 pm

Question if nobody thinks they need more than a 3" gun then why do you shoot nitro shells?
Maybe to give the 3" little more boost?
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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Magnumdood » February 21st, 2009, 4:54 pm

I've got no choice but to shoot 3.5" shells.

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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Turkeybuster » February 21st, 2009, 4:58 pm

Hey Magnumdood
Good evening whould you please explain that if you shoot a 3.5 it will shoot 3" also?
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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Magnumdood » February 21st, 2009, 5:05 pm

I haven't seen any 10 gauge 3" shells offered.

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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Turkeybuster » February 21st, 2009, 5:13 pm

Now that makes sense ya had me worried for a while!
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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Southern Yankee » February 23rd, 2009, 1:46 pm

Hello everyone, I have done alot of hunting in my 62 years, but this is my first try at turkey hunting. I purchased a 870 Magnum and installed a XXfullchoke. I will be going to the range later this week, and will be sure to take some 3" shells to try after reading here! My question is, a few responses state that they would not use 3 1/2" in a pump. What is the reason for that?   Thanks, Gary

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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Cut N Run » February 23rd, 2009, 5:59 pm

Hey Gary,
Welcome & good luck hunting this year. I can only guess why not to use a 3.5 inch shell. Except, since you will be shooting a shotgun more like a rifle from a sitting position with your back against a tree, you may feel more recoil than with a 3" shell.  I'm an average sized guy and the 3 inch shell kicks plenty for me.  The 3 inch also flattens Turkeys, so the need for more shot has never been a problem. Find what performs best in your gun & go with it.
 
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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby Magnumdood » February 23rd, 2009, 7:25 pm

I visited frequently with Mr. Wright of Wright's chokes in Pickneyville, IL.  They make a world-class choke.  Mr. Wright is of the opinion that a 3.5" shell in a 12 gauge shooting 2.25 ~ 2.5 oz of lead or HTL shot was over-choked due to the amount of shot for the bore size (.72").  The shot column literally rammed itself and caused a ricochet effect which led to excessive fliers.  He told me that ALMOST every choke he had patterned better with 3" shells than with 3.5" shells.

I know I couldn't get a Benelli SBE II to pattern worth a damn with ANY choke OR Nitro Ammo in 3.5"; but when I dropped down to 3" shells my shoulder appreciated it and my pattern density improved immensely  and exhibited very few holes.

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RE: wats the problem with 3 1/2" shells?

Postby tinker » February 23rd, 2009, 8:26 pm

Magnumdood, you are correct.
 With a .72 bore there is much over-choke effect going on. As I stated in earlier in a post, there is more to it than just dropping a 3.5 in a gun and havin' at it.
Actually, any shot gun will benefit from this but the bigger you get, the more pronounced it becomes. The question is, how crazy do you want to get?  I have built card-cutter guns that will punch baseball sized holes in a target at 25 yards with almost no fliers. Practical? Not by a long shot. Accurate? You bet!
A shotgun bore is not a gutter pipe like most think it is. As we all know, in turkey hunting, the weapon is used more like a rifle than a shot gun.There for, we need to focus more on the ballistics inside of the gun as well as outside. The choke is only one piece of the puzzle.The forcing cone and  bore-proper have just as much to do with the end result as the choke. Most guns and Loads do just fine with factory set-ups with a good choke. They will shoot minute-of -turkey all day , every day.  If you are looking for the best, you need to look deeper. You have to ask yourself when good is good enough.
 The whole craze of 3.5s, as stated by clark earlier, was to give waterfowlers a fighting chance with steel. It didn't take long for ammo makers to find out that the longer shot strings of the larger payloads in a 3.5 also gave better patterns when coupled with non-toxic lead substitutes like tungsten- poly or bismuth making the 3.5 very effective for watefowl
 Turkey hunters grabbed at it because it extended their range. Its a give-n-take.  If you get 60 pellets at 40 yards, you may only get 25 at 50, but thats 25 more killing pellets than you would have previously gotten. BUT....the recoil is much more pronounced due to the bigger load.
 Blown patterns are not a symptom of choke or bore. Thats a myth. There is more to it than that and I wish it were that simple.
Southern Yankee asked why a pump kicks harder. well, the lock-up of a pump means you take ALL of the hit coming out of a load versus an auto loader which uses the energy of a shot (either gas operated or enertia) to cycle the next round. In that case, the gun takes a good percentage of the hit away from the shooter and puts it back into the gun making it much more pleasureable to shoot.

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