The hardest part to working birds off the roost is learning how to read that Toms gobbles. What I mean is, some birds will gobble their heads off on the roost and some may only gobble once or twice. The birds that are gobbling their heads off, most times have a bunch of hens with them, and they are talking to those hens. The bird that only gobbles a couple times is more likely alone, and his gobbles aren't a high volume gobble, he is just saying hello to the day. Those are the birds I look for, IMO they are easier to work. What I do is, cutt at that softer gobbling bird with a short series of cutts and wait to see what he does. If he answers back right over my cutts, you can bet he'll be coming in. If it takes him a minute or two too answer, that is telling you that he isn't interested in you, and if it takes him a while to answer you, then when he does gobble again I stay after him and cut him off again with a louder call, and I keep doing that until I have his full attention. If your sitting out there answering every bird that gobbles, chances are you will never kill a bird off the roost. Pick one bird and stay after him, as soon as he opens his mouth, you better be answering him, call right over his gobbles. If you wait to answer him, all your doing is telling that gobbler, good morning yeah I'm here. If that bird is cutting your hen talk off or double gobbling at you, then let him gobble a couple times on his own, then do a flydown cackle or slap your leg or use the log toss, something to give the impression of a bird leaving the roost, as soon as your on the ground run a breeding yelp, that should get that bird headed your way, and then just work him like you'd normally would. You need to be set up no more than a 150 yards away from him. The better you know your area the better it works. If that bird hits the ground and goes away or hangs up, hit him with some jake yelps or gobbles, it makes him think he loosing his girlfriend and it will help get him coming a little faster. Now if the only bird you get to work is loaded up with hen, for get the soft tree talk. You have to be the aggressive hen and you work him the same way. Being aggressive will get the boss hen upset and you can bet she'll try to out do you right on the roost. Ignore her and keep working that Gobbler, the more you keep working him and ignoring her the more she's going to get PO'd and you can bet she'll be coming for you and so will that Tom.