Hung up Turkeys...

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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby wisturkeyhunter » February 20th, 2009, 7:37 pm

3 excuses in one sentence that mean your not going to hunt for 3 days

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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby shaman » February 21st, 2009, 2:06 am

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shaman I can tell you are really hung up on "hung up" gobblers.

I never think "hung up" when a bird doesn't come I look for a "real reason" and try and figure out how to get him in range....





I wouldn't exactly say I'm hung up.  But I'm glad it got you back up and strutting about, so I guess the post worked.  So I guess the "real reason"  that a bird stops coming in are always something other than the four I mentioned?   Can you give four reasons that might be a valid for causing a bird to become recalcitrant?

Recalcitrant.  There, now there's probably a better term for it. Hung up does sound a bit final and defeatist.  Although I dare say most of the turkey masters I have hunted with before would tell me that's they put in the wife's orange juice to keep her bones from getting brittle.    You and I both agree that the situation is sometimes solvable and is usually self-inflicted.

I think "crappy calling"  was covered in 2 and 3 of my points. So what exactly does make a bird get recalcitrant and what does get a bird back into range?
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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby shaman » February 21st, 2009, 3:58 am

Okay, I'm beginning to see where you're coming from now. It's all too arcane and subtle for us to discuss intelligently. 

It would seem that we have hit a bottomless pit in our grasp of turkey lore?  The unknowable, the unexplainable, the sublime?  Gee,  what will we call it then?  Let's see, we have a situation where the gobbler just does not want to come in and we've expended all our known options. Let's put aside what some theoretical omnipotent turkey master might know.  He's not here today.  It's just us mortals. 

Hmmmm. What can we call it? . . . help me out here.




Sorry, I'm just playing with you.  I agree with you whole-heartedly.  Grasping turkey hunting is a lot like grasping Taoism, isn't it?  With apologies to Lao-Tsu:

The turkey that can be told
is not the eternal Turkey
The turkey that can be named
is not the eternal Turkey.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.



I've been carrying my copy of the Tao Te Ching afield for years.
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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby greyghost » February 21st, 2009, 4:27 am

Although one of the military sayings it somewhat apply's to Mr. Gobbler's action when coming in sometimes.
 
"Rather than act like the lord of the manor,
I would rather behave like a guest.
Rather than advance an inch,
I would rather retreat a foot."
 
I hope we do not get on the Tao Te Ching sayings. Had enough in the military. [:o]
 
Shaman, on your quote where in your book or what revised or translation interpretation do you have?

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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby shaman » February 21st, 2009, 4:44 am

The US Military has a way of taking a good thing and beating it to death.  Camping, hiking, backpacking, outdoor cooking, shooting, enjoying a good fireworks display, foreign travel, . . . the list goes on and on.



I think the one I carry is translated by Thomas Cleary .  It's one of the Shambala Pocket Classics.  I've got several different copies of it, but that's the one that's smallest to fit in my pocket.

The version  I lifted that quote from was from here:

http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~phalsall/texts/taote-v3.html 
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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby greyghost » February 21st, 2009, 4:52 am

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The unexplainable mystery is what keeps turkey hunting interesting...



 
Dang TC, that was good.
 
Thanks shaman, never seen a pocket size one.

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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby J Hook Max » February 22nd, 2009, 6:20 pm

 It usually happens because you leave too much open space between you and the turkey.Try and setup where he has to come within 40 or 50 yards to see the source of the calling and you will have many fewer "hung up" turkeys.

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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby Magnumdood » February 22nd, 2009, 6:57 pm

If he gets within 60 yds he's mine.

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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby wisturkeyhunter » February 22nd, 2009, 7:23 pm

Man thats really what turkey hunting is about.
Theres young school and theres old school.
I'm still in school.

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RE: Hung up Turkeys...

Postby silvestris » February 26th, 2009, 3:41 am

Earl, I got mine too.  I have read it once and plan to read it again more carefully.  However, I couldn't understand why he came in and busted the turkeys off of the "strut zone".  That goes against my belief that you should never alert the turkeys to your existence.
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