thanks again for your insightfulness. i know that having a 22" barrel can limit me somewhat, i just wasn't as pleased with my nitro's as i had hoped. the results from 12ga with nitro's was pretty amazing. i think my expected results can be achieved, i just hope it comes sooner than later, those shells are not cheap! i have confidence that i can kill a turkey at 40 yds right now with this gun as i had 80 hits in a 10" circle and 15 hits in the head/neck both results at 40 yards. i would just like to optimize my pattern a little more, it was still spread out. my buddy was shooting with me and he has an 870 youth 20 ga with a kicks 560, he had 192 hits in a 10" circle at 40 yds. it was nearly as impressive as my 12 ga. i will keep playing this week. we are headed to kansas friday, i will of course keep my 12 ga with me just in case i can't get this gun where i want it by weeks end. thanks again for all the replies everyone.